System edited: Updated system pic's. Two systems...Apogee Duetta Signatures and tubes for two channel, VMPS in the rear for hometheater....works for me.
Yes, the blinds are up...I'm going to upload new pic's one of these days.
I measured each window very carefully and had blinds made that fit inside the 3" deep window sills...black. Still, with the two large windows and 8' door-wall some light does get in...not enough that I can't watch TV or a movie in the day time though.
The bigger problem is that directly across from the 8' door-wall is another 8' opening which leads into the rest of the house...more light spill there than the windows.
In hind-sight I should have installed a large pocket door at that opening...I did build double walls so could have done that without a problem.
I could install some bi-folds there, kicking it around for a while now....I'm a slow thinker.
Love to see the Big Ten stuff it in their face! Being a Buckeye, I love watching great teams make their way to the final four. Oh BTW did'nt all the experts say the BIG Ten was a soft league?
The projector is ceiling mounted at 16' from wall...gives me about 100 inch picture.
I placed a picture of the unfinished room. You can see the elbow with wires (3 inch pvc pipe behind drywall), you never know when you may need to snake more wires.
I agree, my center sub is my LFE sub, the other two are tuned for music. My local Vmps dealer will be by Wednesday to install (new) much improved 15 inchers in the supertowers. Bass should improve by a high factor I'm told.
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Thanks buddy, my system (just like my cars) are old high mileage...250,000 on the 92 chevy truck and almost that on the 92 Merc.
Dave: Stereo subs are always better than one. In my case, I had a REL Stadium III, which blended very well the Apogees. I simply loved its sound for audio but I also use my system for home theater and I needed a bit more punch in bass. Now I've got a pair of HSU Research TN 1225s. The pair together beats the single REL. However, they are quite obstrusive because of their size.
I have looked at your system many times, (LUST) is a word that comes to mind!! As a matter of fact, I'm looking forward to the update you talked about regarding your system on your system thread.
RE: subs
I don't use them for most two-channel music because the output from my Duetta Sig's does not begin to drop off untill 27hz. in my room. I do turn them on for many of the new-age types of music...some of this music contains output even at the limits of my subs (17hz) and can produce room shudder that is very enjoyable (at least to me).
I use a small paradigm x-over on the large supertowers and the center sub is hooked into my pro-pro's LFE output. The supertowers are powered by an Onkyo M-504 which has large power meters as it's front, they only slightly twitch on most music so I don't bother.
My room is large dedicated so I've had no problem with the Apogee/sub blend. No WAF at all so can be moved anywhere...which is most important when setting up a sub (subs). Also, I find that two or more subs are much better than one for blending.
That said: My room is new and has not been treated/tweaked, the only placement of components locked-in at this point are the Duetta sig's and the rear speakers.
I look forward to the update regarding your system Gallant
Cool system! I am an Apogee lover as well (my system is also on audiogon), with the Divas as my current main speakers. I also own a pair of Centaur Majors.
I have bi-amped, and tri-amped my Divas, and done many other experiments
I am curious how your sub mixes with Duettas (I mean for two channel audio only). My experience is that straight firing subs do not really mix with the Apogees.
System edited: 90% done, still need to add a screen for the projector and some room tweaks/treatments. The pictures were taken a while back but I had some injury from a fall (long story). I should be able to complete the room in about another month or so will update to the final pic's then. Dave
Rooms way to big...painting today and my neck and back are killin me already after 4 hours. The drywall was easier than this mess!
Anyway, my room is 25'X 23'X 9' in it's finished state. My system will not be setup exactly like the pictures I have posted of my un-finished room but will be close so I can at least give an idea as most of the changes are component placement and sub placement.
The system is on the 25' wall and the D. Sig's are the main speakers. These are 5 feet out from the wall and around 8 feet from each side wall. The screen will be wall mounted so five feet set-back from the mains...same as in my pic's.
My seat is at around 11 feet from the mains so about 16 feet from the 100 inch screen. I will have a sub on each corner of the 25' wall (about 3 feet away from the corner) and the third sub will be center front or maybe in the rear of the room?...will deside after I get the other two dialed in.
They came and measured for the carpet this morning...said it would be a three week wait, BUMMER...all my gear is stuffed in on of the bedrooms.
What are the dimensions of your room? How many feet is your seating from the front speakers? How many feet is the screen behind the front speakers? I have a pretty large room and I want an idea of what others are doing with their large listening areas.
Hey Nice system Sogood51! I have owned several Apogee's over the years. I would have never thought to use the minors as center channel speakers! That Krell KSA 250 is a great amp, and Im sure does superbly for the Apogees. Its funny how it seems to look smaller than it really is between the larger speakers!..Great Job and Enjoy!--Ken
Apogee speakers (at least the non hy-bred's) can be somewhat of a pain to setup, this is a speaker design that gives meaning to "a little gives or takes a lot". These speakers are truly a full-range design that will not (IMO) work well in small/med-small rooms.
At this time, mine are 58" out and 78" from side walls with around 8' spread between the mrt ribbons and no toe-in. Bass response is very smooth with only about 1db difference between all fqz's down to 31.5hz were it picks up 3db. I have one Vmps passive sub hooked into my pre-pro's sub output for movie LFE only and two Vmps subs with outboard active X-over for 35hz down to below 20hz. Of course all this will change with sheet-rock/carpet/room treatments ect.
I did think about that type of wall construction, I guess I could still think about it. I did stagger-stud an inside wall which would give me 3-wall construction if I went with the channel idea?, "food for thought".
The floor, I live in Michigan so cement floor was something I did not want in the winter. I wanted a wood floor that was as solid to the feel (or jump) as cement floor would be, but with warmth. The floor is only raised 1.5 inches above the cement and has no flex between studs because of the 1.5 inch insolation panels between them. The .75 inch flooring sheets laid down over this like a big puzzle (a smarter person than me) helped me figure this out, the last piece needed a little grease on the tung, and the groove side...glue&screw only. As far as acoustic benifit, I'll never really know...but it's a darn good floor if nothing else.
I'm on hold to finish this project for a couple of months, good thing this is a dedicated room or the wife would have KILLED ME by now. Hope it looks as good as yours does when it's done!
