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Jan-2024
Added a Puron filter

Oct-2022
Added the Mazda 1960s grey plates 12AU7 to the Rhumba. They opened my eyes (and ears) as to why people are ready to pay so much for NOS tubes.

Aug-2022
Added Isoacoustic mini-pucks beneath the Inakustik and audio server.
Added a custom built audio server to replace the aging Asus laptop. I did not realize how much profound effect a dedicated server has on the quality of the sound.

Oct-2021
Added the ISO-puck mini under the Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 and Oppo UDP-205.
Added Isoacoustic Carpet spikes for Gaia II.

Aug-2021
Added the AudioQuest Foglifters. Initially added for "looks" and cable dressing. But found that it adds finesse and delicacy to instruments in the music. My guess is the contact area of the cable from the original wooden raisers has reduced more than 90% and that might be the reason. I am happy.

July-2021
Added the GIK 242 ceiling panel that balanced the sound from the left speaker, that was getting missed due to the unavoidable soffit in the room. So much to learn from your own experience.

Dec-2020
Purchased the Fidelizer PRO. This has immensely changed the listening experience. Folks using a Windows machine should certainly give a shot to the free version. You have nothing to loose except 5 minutes. The best part of free version is it is an exe files that you run and not install. So if you don't like it, just delete the .exe.

Oct-2020
Upgraded Asus K52 with a Asus S400CA, 8GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Again, this is an older laptop repurposed for audio. Also added a NAS server and all audio files are on that server. Connection to this server is via ethernet and not wifi. Evaluating the free version of Fidelizer which makes very audible, positive change in my system.

Jul-2020
Repurposed an old laptop for streaming Spotify/Qobuz and also digital files. The laptop was upgraded from 3GB to 8GB RAM and from 250GB HDD to 1TB SSD for DSD and FLAC files. Installed Foobar2000 with Eole skin on the laptop to play the digital files. Using an old iPad mini 2 tablet with MonkeyMote to control this laptop remotely. Love this app!
Installed the Inakustik Reference High Speed USB between the laptop and Oppo 205, which is now used as a DAC.

Jun-2020
Added Inakustik NF-2404 XLRs between Oppo-Backert and Backert-Parasound.
Will try to find some time to do a mini review of these cables, if I find time. These cables pull you into the music way too much.

Mar-2020
Added Inakustik LS-2404 AIR biwire loudspeaker cables

Nov-2019
Added the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers to the ProAcs

Jun-2019
Added the Inakustik AC-3500p power conditioner in the system.

Nov-2018
Replaced the Promitheus Reference C-core TVC with Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier

Jan-2018
Replaced the Quad 21L with the ProAc D48R in Ebony.

October-2017
Replaced the Teac CD-1000 SACD player with Oppo UDP-205 universal disc player.

September-2015
Replaced the Marantz SACD player with Teac CD-1000.

May-2015
New room finished in April. Room is 19 X 15 X 8. Three walls were already in place (concrete). Had the 4th wall built with double drywalls inside/outside and using GreenGlue. 2 dedicated 10gauge 20 amp lines for amps and electronics. Speakers are 4 feet from back wall and 3 feet from side wall. Placement of speakers, chair, panels etc are within 1/8th inch tolerance. Replaced Signal Cable power cables with Cullen Cables Crossover Series power cords, because I needed longer and flexible cables.

Feb-2015
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution RCAs between Marantz and TVC with Clear Day's RCA cables.

Sep-2014
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR between TVC and amp with Clear Day's XLR cables.

Aug-2014
Replaced the Signal Cable Silver Resolution bi-wires with Clear Day Double Shotguns and jumpers between HF and LF speaker terminals.

04-Dec-2013:
Replaced original wooden footers under TVCs with Ebony footers. Simply unbelievable - what they did.

February 2012 - September 2012:
Been exited to have a dedicated room for this "passion". This word was emphasized by a female family friend. She was amazed by how passionately I could go on and on about this hobby. She likes classical music. Soon after we moved into our first home, I did post some questions on this forum about french doors. Those are in place now and I am happy with their looks. Per my wife (touch wood), I need to place something on the door panels for preventing reflections and maintaining privacy. Her support for me in this hobby has been outstanding and I would not have reached this far, if not for her. So, that treatment on the door will come sometimes later this year. This is a small room with 13.5'X12.5'X9' dimensions. I painted this room myself (first time, never did this before). The speakers are placed along the shorter wall. They are 40" from front wall and about 30" from side walls. They are about 7' apart with some toe-in. I sit slightly more than 7' away. All measurements are within 1/10" error. Finding the optimum position for speaker took me about 24 to 30 man hours. Though this is painful, the outcome of this exercise is mind-boggling. Got some granite to go between the floor and speakers. These are 18"X18"X1.5". This has tightened the bass and has provided necessary isolation from the wooden floor below. At the same time, added Herbie Audio Lab's Extra Thick Hush Puckies under the speaker spikes and the granite. This causes the speaker to not "ring" and provides stability to the speakers, because of the dBNeutralizer base. Since this is my own space, I added some treatments from GIK. Bryan Pape at GIK was very helpful and actually told me to go easy on the treatments. We started with 2 Tri-traps on the corners and 2 Monster Panels on the back wall directly behind the listening position. I liked the way the bass tightened up. Bryan suggested the 244 instead of 242s on the first reflection panels to take care of any phase issues as well. And that has turned pretty nice. Also got the terminations on the speaker wires changed from spades to BFA bananas. I am totally sold on the BFAs. Superb contact and fit. Some of you advised me to move the equipments from between the speakers. Though I could not do it 100%, what I did was, to disassemble the rack and use the shelfs on the floor directly. But the resulting change in the sound staging is simply fantastic. I never imagined that a rack placed between 2 speakers can mess the soundstage. With all this in place I did miss some "meat" in my system. But I thought it was the size of the room that was causing the nulls and there was probably nothing I could do. What finally brought "life" in my system was the new XLRs between the preamp (TVC) and the amp. The move from RCA to XLR in my system was nothing short of drastic. I have mentioned this on this site as well as a forum dedicated to Parasound Halo products. Apparently, there was not enough gain in my system and so the "meat" was missing on the bones, if you will. This was not so obvious in the previous apartment room, since it was small and the speakers used to be closer to the walls. In the near future, I would like to add 3 242 GIK panels on the front wall, behind the speakers. Will first experiment with the existing Monster Panels on the front wall.


March 2010:
The Parasound amp has changed my system profoundly. I cannot believe the transparency and expansiveness it has brought into my system. And it seems a very good match for my TVC as I set the TVC volume to lower levels than my previous amp.

April 2009: Added the Promitheus TVC, which took my system to an altogether different level. I did not imagine of such a performance from my system. Looking for a good power amp now. Want a power amp with high sensitivity and power - to match the TVC and also in case I upgrade my speakers at a later time.

August-2005
It took many listening sessions, forums, mags, etc to build this starter system. Was worth every minute spent for building it. Started with recommended components list - but ended with what my ears liked.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 19’ × 15’  Medium
Ceiling: 8’


Components Toggle details

    • ProAc Response D48R Loudspeakers
    Ebony with Ribbon tweeter.
    • Parasound A21
    250 watts RMS x 2, 20 Hz - 20 kHz,8Ω, Class AB Sensitivity: 1 V for 28.28 V
    • Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3
    Tube preamplifier with 2 X 12AU7 tubes
    • OPPO UDP-205
    Universal Disc player
    • Foobar Foobar2000
    PC Software - not for the weak at heart. But this has amazing features and comes with a lots of "skins". My favorite is the Eole.
    • MonkeyMote MonkeyMoteHD
    An iPad app for remote controlling Foobar2000 via wifi. Excellent interface.
    • Inakustik Reference Power Station AC-3500P
    Power Conditioner
    • Google Chromecast
    Casting Spotify/Tidal/etc over wi-fi
    • Inakustik LS-2404 Air
    Bi-wire speaker cables
    • Inakustik NF-2404 Air
    XLR Cables
    • Inakustik Reference High Speed USB
    USB cable
    • Cardes Parsec
    4 feet co-axial cable
    • Inakustik 2502F
    Power Cord
    • Furutech FI-28(R)/FI-32(R)
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 10 AWG
    Amplifier Power Cord
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 12 AWG
    SACD player power cord
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II
    Isolation footers for loudspeakers
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II Carpet Spikes
    Carpet Spikes for the Gaia II
    • IsoAcoustics ISO-puck mini
    Footers under the preamp and DAC
    • AudioQuest Fog Lifters
    Cable dressers and system enhancers.
    • World Market Kendall Chair
    Very comfortable chair. Suede. No support directly behind the head which means sound is not distorted. I was searching for something like this for quite some time. I looked at some LC2 and LC3 knock-offs. But they were all leather that could reflect sound. Chocolate color which also matches the GIK panels.
    • GIK Acoustics Tri-Trap
    For front corners behind the speakers, in coffee color.
    • GIK Acoustics Monster Bass Trap
    Mounted on the wall behind listening seat.
    • GIK Acoustics 244 Bass Trap
    Absorption panel in Coffee color, mounted at first reflection points, that also takes care of phase related issues. Plan to get 2 more to go in the center of the room behind the speakers.
    • GIK Acoustics 242 broadband panel
    2' X 2' absorption panel
    • Porterhouse Audio Porter Ports
    • Custom build Audio Server Audio Server
    Custom built audio server for streaming FLAC/DSD files and also other streaming services. Based on Streacom FC10 Alpha chassis.
    • Puron
    Power filter

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Just looked at your pics after posting that last, long response!  Looks like you have played with placement and possibly added some more room treatments!  Awesome room my Man!  You are an inspiration for me and my setup, thank you.  I def. get ideas from you , so thank you 👍😀

b_limo

Hey MilPai!  I’ve got to comment on your page again thanking you for commenting on my page. You are one of my old friends from this site, honestly probably the one I connected with most back in my beginning days 10+ years ago.

Anyhow, its good to see how far you’ve come, not that your original system was bad, far from it.  Parasound and quad!  I had some quads , as well as many many others but you have always had taste in line with mine.

I recently had some proacs and they are just phenomenal speakers.  Never had spendor but I guess that proac, spendor and harbeth are all very sweet spundkng speakers.  Your proacs are just gorgeous; some of my favorite I’ve seen.  Thag along with your clean, symmetrical set-up, I bet its a great place to get away.  

Congrats Mr. Milpai on building a pretty special set-up!

Best Wishes,
Bruce

b_limo

Looking at your system again tonight Milpai.  It takes a few views to actually see everything.  I read through your whole history tonight; pretty cool how you documented it all.  I go through equipment so often that my list would be too big for anyone to want to read.

Anyhow, I’m looking into stereo racks and want to get an adjustable one.  What kind is yours and would recommend that one, or is something else I should look at as well?

I’m gettin a Schiit Gungir Multibit and my new Fritz Carreras in 2 days and am so excited!  I’ll have the best sound I’ve ever owned once I add those 2 componets; I can hardly wait.  

Anyhow, I bet your setup sounds great.  That pre amp looks nice 👍, your speakers are just awesome and so pretty.  The quarter sawn book matched finish is stunning. That parasound is a solid amp.  Great choice on power cables, conditioners, dedicated lines...  just a great all around set-up.  Many people miss the details but not you 👌.

Anyhow, some feedback about your rack posted here on your thread would be appreciated!  I’ll check back in a week!

Happy Listening Milpai!

b_limo

Yowza Milpai!  You had a nice set-up 10 years ago but my goodness, its just simply fantastic now.  Congratulations on the continual work and improvements; I wouldn’t even know where you go from here honestly.  I can see that it has truly been a labor of love for you.  Well done Sir, well done 😁

b_limo

Your system is looking fantastic Milpai!  I’d like to recommend some Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval 8 speaker cables and rca’s!  I acquired a pair of their speaker cables last summer and they are just too good to not recommend them to you.  I think you would really enjoy them and your set-up is so nice as it is, I feel like it would benefit from them.  They are incredibly natural sounding and untangle the music is a way I have never experienced.  Incredible bass, texture and detail as well!

Again though, your roomis looking great!

b_limo

You have one of my favorite systems Milpai.  Your speakers are gorgeous.  I love how cleanly executed your set-up is!  Really nice choices as well.

b_limo

Milpai, Buddy, your system looks amazing!!  I’m so happy to see where you’ve come with it. It truly looks fantastic and I bet it sounds even better.  

I’ve always been a fan of clean looking setups and rooms and yours is up there with my favorites :-)

Well Done!!

b_limo

Hey Mil! Long time no talk; good to see you are still here. The rig looks better than ever! I see you made a few changes. Paul at Clear day is awesome. I tried some of his cables awhile back; Paul is a true gentleman. PM me, I cant seem to figure out how to PM you!

b_limo

:-)
Looking good Milpai! Good to see you are still enjoying the music and getting new toys for the rig.

I just added a porter port to the set-up today and am listening to some new speakers I got two days ago (some Jamo 803 with Seas Excel drivers!).

Anyways, hope you and the family have a great holiday season.

b_limo

Hey, Mil! I like the decal; where did yourwife get it? I want one! I like your new stand also. Lookin sharp! I got my 4 gik 244 panels up and am loving the difference in sound. I took the t.v. Down but decided to put it back up because I couldn't find the parts for the bottom of the tv so I could place it on a table and take it in and out of the room for when my girl and I were watching movies. Anyhow, it's nice to see that your system is continually evolving into something you enjoy more and more :-)
P.s. if I ever get my v dacii back you can borrow it and see what you think if you'd like!

b_limo

Milpai, I've only got four 244 panels coming right now but I think I'm going to put one on each side wall and then the remaining two on the front wall. I think I 'm going to take the t.v. down that is mounted on my front wall too. I think the panels will make a big difference. It's kind of funny that my system seems to be following yours, from cables to speaker placement to panels to passive pre amp; shoot, it would have just been easier for me to rent your room, two hours a day, five days s week...

b_limo

I like your system even more now Milpai that I know a bit about your amp and the tvc. I'm really looking forward to my gik panels and my lightspeed! How is it though, not having a remote?

b_limo

Hey Mil, did you notice a difference in sound when you switched to the jappling because it doesn't have a headrest, therefore there weren't any reflections or absorbtion going on directly by your ears?

b_limo

Also, which panels did you go with on the front wall. 244's or monsters?

b_limo

Hey, Mil! The room looks great! Glad to hear that your happy with the set-up. Question about the oppo: which one is it and does it sound better than the marantz?

b_limo

Hey Milpai! Like the new chair, looks good! I bet it stays put better than the poang also. I want to wait till I get a few sound panels and amp racks to post pics but may post pics before hand anyways. It seems most of our systems here on a-gon are always changing and if we waited until our rigs were complete to post pics, no one would have any pics.
Anyways..., do tell us about your new acoustic panels and your listening impressions! Can't wait to see the new pics!

b_limo

Do you like it Milpai? I got my other poang, too. Interestingly, it is slightly smaller than the one I bought new, and quite a bit more comfortable do to different ergonomics also.

b_limo

Picking up asecond poang chair and footrest today for $35 that matches the poang chair and footrest I already have perfectly. Same exact colors! Anyways, I'm sure my girl will be happy because she won't have to sit on the ground anymore ;-)

b_limo

Got the silgnal cable silver resolution xlr's in and even out of the box, after about four hours of listening spread out over three days, I love them and will eventually be changing out all of my other cords to signal cables! Hey Milpai, shoot me an e-mail so I don't continue to clutter up your wall. [email protected]

b_limo

Thanks Milpai! Good advice on the lenghts; I never thought about going a bit longer in order to snake them around. I went with short 2 foot xlr's so hopefully I don't regret it later. I should be getting them monday or tuesday. Slight delay in shipping due to the storm. I think I'm going to get the brickwall next so I can stuff my Equipment in the closet, out of sight, and I also like the idea of unplugging one plug vs. seven in thunderstorms, which we get alot of in Colorado. All of my brothers electrical stuff got fried last summrr. Stove, micro, tv, stereo, everything.

b_limo

Milpai, talk to me about the brickwall! Is everything plugged into it? Give me a short review of it, and is there something you've found that you like better? I really like the idea of cleaning up my powera bit, and I also like the idea of cleaning up cabling a bit in the process. something else I like this would also allow me to run reallg short powercords into one box (do you think that is a good idea, short power cords?) Thanks bro! I'm liking your set-up more everyday and am following in your footsteps in a few ways, so thanks again! Ordered the xlr's yesterday, and will probably pull the trigger on thd p.c.'s next, but maybe I'll get the brickwall first and run short p.c.'s :-)

b_limo

Samhar, damn buddy, nice set-up!
Milpai, hey there bro! So I've been playing around with speaker placement again only to end up moving it rightback to where it was based on your dimensions, but only this time they ended up there soley based on my listening impressions. It seems like we are in similiar places on this audio journey, as I am now going to be building and applying acoustic panels and looking for a chair. Alot of people said I should look into the ikea poaing (sp.?). Is that the one you are currently using? I'll be buying those Xlr's you recommended this weekend and will probably eventually switch all my cables to signal cables too. They are priced really reasonably.
So, whats up with the two cd players? I've been wondering lately if dirty cd's muck up the laser on my player...
Do you use any cleaning product on your cd's?

b_limo

Milpai,
My system: classe ssp 25 pre, classe ca-150 amp, musical fidelity v dac II with Pangea p 100 power supply, denon DVD 2900 for c.d.'s, ps audio power punch cords on the amp and pre amp, audio quest diamond backs between dac and pre amp, audio quest g snake between pre amp and amp, blue jeans 10 gauge speaker wire, paradigm studio 20's.

I'm really liking the speaker placement. Lost quite a bit of bass but it was too boomy sounding anyway. I can't believe the amount of depth it added to the soundstage. I just got the speakers, had studio 10's before these, and was having a difficult time getting them to sound right. I liked the sound of the 10's so I thought I could just place the 20's in the same spot but that didn't work. Your placement is alot better. I usually like my speakers toed way in, but right now only have them slightly toed in, and am liking this set-up for the moment :-)
Thanks again!

b_limo

Milpai,
So I set up my speakers at the same distance as yours since my room is 11'7"x13'3", almost identical to yours. I had my listening chair in pretty much the same place as yours already, so I didn't have to move it. So far, I'm really liking what I am hearing, so I extend a big thank you for saving me 29 hours! Not that I haven't spent double or triple that in the past 8 months with various speakers and rooms, but speaker set up is such a pain and my least favorite part of setting up a system, but I di know that it pays off, it can just be daunting at times.

I also visited signal audio's website and am exited to eventually buy some, based on your recommendation, so thanks for that too. Would you recommend the silver ones with silver plugs as well? My system is pretty basic. One pair of rca's and one pair of xlr's. Silver for both?

b_limo

Hmmm, maybe I should check out signal xlr's instead of audioquest...

b_limo

Hey, Milpai! Nice system. I like the simplicity of your room; it looks really nice! I also just moved to a place where I have a dedicated listening room and the dimensions are almost identical to yours so I might play around with speaker placement based on where you have yours :-) I actually realized today that my speakers are 22" inches from both the side and back walls, which I understand isn't good. I don't really want to go nearfield and my speakers have a front port and don't seem to be hugely affected by placing them closer to the back wall than I usually do. I am at a point where my next upgrades will be a set of diamond back xlr's from my amp to pre amp, two more upgraded power cords and some gik panels. I love what I have heard about gik's customer service and it was nice to hear about the improvement you noticed with xlr's! It's funny that you were talking also about your equipment rack having an effect on imaging as well. I just noticed this myself just this week and started a thread about it. Anyways, once I get my panels in a few months, I'll post some pics too.

b_limo